Comments on: Thoughtmerchant offers criticism of Ron Paul as a candidate for black americans. http://elicivilunrest.wordpress.com/2007/10/05/thoughtmerchant-offers-criticism-of-ron-paul-as-a-candidate-for-black-americans/ Lest civil blood make civil hands unclean Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:09:55 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: ebogjonson http://elicivilunrest.wordpress.com/2007/10/05/thoughtmerchant-offers-criticism-of-ron-paul-as-a-candidate-for-black-americans/#comment-208 ebogjonson Sat, 29 Dec 2007 23:55:39 +0000 http://elicivilunrest.wordpress.com/2007/10/05/thoughtmerchant-offers-criticism-of-ron-paul-as-a-candidate-for-black-americans/#comment-208 Thanks for the honest response. All of us have issues that are dear to our hearts, and I know from personal experience that it's painful to be forced by events to choose between competing moral imperatives. Maybe the increasing scrutiny on some of these quotes will make Paul reevaluate some of his propositions. I'm not holding my breath, but...! ;) Thanks for the honest response. All of us have issues that are dear to our hearts, and I know from personal experience that it’s painful to be forced by events to choose between competing moral imperatives.

Maybe the increasing scrutiny on some of these quotes will make Paul reevaluate some of his propositions. I’m not holding my breath, but…! ;)

]]> By: Eli http://elicivilunrest.wordpress.com/2007/10/05/thoughtmerchant-offers-criticism-of-ron-paul-as-a-candidate-for-black-americans/#comment-203 Eli Thu, 27 Dec 2007 16:17:09 +0000 http://elicivilunrest.wordpress.com/2007/10/05/thoughtmerchant-offers-criticism-of-ron-paul-as-a-candidate-for-black-americans/#comment-203 ebog, Thanks for posting this. My apolitical libertarian friends have been whittling away at my support for RP for a while now, this may be the final nail in the coffin for my support of RP. I still think that he's better than the republican field. No angels there. And I think he'd work harder than anyone else at rolling back the police state. But I'm not sure that it is worth compromising myself morally to vote for him. -Eli ebog,

Thanks for posting this. My apolitical libertarian friends have been whittling away at my support for RP for a while now, this may be the final nail in the coffin for my support of RP.

I still think that he’s better than the republican field. No angels there. And I think he’d work harder than anyone else at rolling back the police state. But I’m not sure that it is worth compromising myself morally to vote for him.

-Eli

]]> By: ebogjonson http://elicivilunrest.wordpress.com/2007/10/05/thoughtmerchant-offers-criticism-of-ron-paul-as-a-candidate-for-black-americans/#comment-201 ebogjonson Thu, 27 Dec 2007 00:38:59 +0000 http://elicivilunrest.wordpress.com/2007/10/05/thoughtmerchant-offers-criticism-of-ron-paul-as-a-candidate-for-black-americans/#comment-201 Ron Paul in 1992: > Indeed, it is shocking to consider the uniformity of opinion among blacks in this country. Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5% of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty, and the end of welfare and affirmative action…. Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the “criminal justice system,” I think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.< http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/5/15/124912/740 I had a feeling Ron Paul was a racist, but it's always unfortunate to have your gut so spectacularly vindicated. Ron Paul in 1992:

> Indeed, it is shocking to consider the uniformity of opinion among blacks in this country. Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5% of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty, and the end of welfare and affirmative action…. Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the “criminal justice system,” I think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.<

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/5/15/124912/740

I had a feeling Ron Paul was a racist, but it’s always unfortunate to have your gut so spectacularly vindicated.

]]> By: thoughtmerchant http://elicivilunrest.wordpress.com/2007/10/05/thoughtmerchant-offers-criticism-of-ron-paul-as-a-candidate-for-black-americans/#comment-63 thoughtmerchant Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:59:25 +0000 http://elicivilunrest.wordpress.com/2007/10/05/thoughtmerchant-offers-criticism-of-ron-paul-as-a-candidate-for-black-americans/#comment-63 Hot off the Press "Barack Obama: America’s First Black President–If He Were a Republican" Check it at www.thoughtmerchant.wordpress.com Politics and Commentary for the thinking person of color Thought Merchant Hot off the Press

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]]> By: elicivilunrest http://elicivilunrest.wordpress.com/2007/10/05/thoughtmerchant-offers-criticism-of-ron-paul-as-a-candidate-for-black-americans/#comment-61 elicivilunrest Tue, 09 Oct 2007 01:01:51 +0000 http://elicivilunrest.wordpress.com/2007/10/05/thoughtmerchant-offers-criticism-of-ron-paul-as-a-candidate-for-black-americans/#comment-61 thoughtmerchant, I hate to have arguments in other people backyard, but I do love when others provide the liquor that leads to the brawl. thoughtmerchant,

I hate to have arguments in other people backyard, but I do love when others provide the liquor that leads to the brawl.

]]> By: elicivilunrest http://elicivilunrest.wordpress.com/2007/10/05/thoughtmerchant-offers-criticism-of-ron-paul-as-a-candidate-for-black-americans/#comment-60 elicivilunrest Tue, 09 Oct 2007 00:59:38 +0000 http://elicivilunrest.wordpress.com/2007/10/05/thoughtmerchant-offers-criticism-of-ron-paul-as-a-candidate-for-black-americans/#comment-60 ebog, Thanks for the apology. I understand responding in anger. I think you may be going a little too far in calling me a hypocrite because I use, unavoidably, services I paid for under duress. I'm neither posturing or spouting without meaning. I really believe in the central principle of libertarianism, the Zero Agression Principle. In short I don't believe that anyone should initiate force against anyone else or delegate such initiation of force. The truth is I was once a collectivist, democrat, though painfully white as my picture (and molly's) portrays. But the sad fact is that all collectivists require coercive control through violence. I don't trust government to weild such power well. Not even in trade for roads, communal hospitals or funded OB/GYN's, all of which I truly believe we could have without a federal government that is a burden on production and liberty. You are welcome in this neck of the woods whenever. If I wanted you gone I'd have deleted your comments. Private property is nifty. ebog,
Thanks for the apology. I understand responding in anger. I think you may be going a little too far in calling me a hypocrite because I use, unavoidably, services I paid for under duress. I’m neither posturing or spouting without meaning. I really believe in the central principle of libertarianism, the Zero Agression Principle. In short I don’t believe that anyone should initiate force against anyone else or delegate such initiation of force. The truth is I was once a collectivist, democrat, though painfully white as my picture (and molly’s) portrays. But the sad fact is that all collectivists require coercive control through violence. I don’t trust government to weild such power well. Not even in trade for roads, communal hospitals or funded OB/GYN’s, all of which I truly believe we could have without a federal government that is a burden on production and liberty.

You are welcome in this neck of the woods whenever. If I wanted you gone I’d have deleted your comments. Private property is nifty.

]]> By: thoughtmerchant http://elicivilunrest.wordpress.com/2007/10/05/thoughtmerchant-offers-criticism-of-ron-paul-as-a-candidate-for-black-americans/#comment-59 thoughtmerchant Mon, 08 Oct 2007 14:15:12 +0000 http://elicivilunrest.wordpress.com/2007/10/05/thoughtmerchant-offers-criticism-of-ron-paul-as-a-candidate-for-black-americans/#comment-59 I'm glad I drove all this discussion about Ron Paul, but I wish the traffic was directed towards my blog. LOL. Civil unrest, ebog, please come back and comment frequently. Thought Merchant I’m glad I drove all this discussion about Ron Paul, but I wish the traffic was directed towards my blog. LOL. Civil unrest, ebog, please come back and comment frequently.

Thought Merchant

]]> By: ebogjonson http://elicivilunrest.wordpress.com/2007/10/05/thoughtmerchant-offers-criticism-of-ron-paul-as-a-candidate-for-black-americans/#comment-58 ebogjonson Mon, 08 Oct 2007 07:55:02 +0000 http://elicivilunrest.wordpress.com/2007/10/05/thoughtmerchant-offers-criticism-of-ron-paul-as-a-candidate-for-black-americans/#comment-58 I just looked at the above post and wanted to apologize for bringing your family into this argument. It was uncalled for and written out of anger. However, I do stand by my underlying, poorly articulated point, which is that "what positive and constructive interaction have you had with the federal government I wonder" strikes me as essentially meaningless posturing that makes it hard for me to take your politics very seriously. Chances are you weren't awake 10 minutes today without accruing some form of benefit from the feds. You and I both know this to be the case, and yet you pretend otherwise for the sake of ideological purity. Anyway, I'm going back to my neck of the woods. I'm black, a collectivist and a Democrat, so this argument is pretty academic to me. Best of luck to you! I just looked at the above post and wanted to apologize for bringing your family into this argument. It was uncalled for and written out of anger.

However, I do stand by my underlying, poorly articulated point, which is that “what positive and constructive interaction have you had with the federal government I wonder” strikes me as essentially meaningless posturing that makes it hard for me to take your politics very seriously. Chances are you weren’t awake 10 minutes today without accruing some form of benefit from the feds. You and I both know this to be the case, and yet you pretend otherwise for the sake of ideological purity.

Anyway, I’m going back to my neck of the woods. I’m black, a collectivist and a Democrat, so this argument is pretty academic to me. Best of luck to you!

]]> By: ebogjonson http://elicivilunrest.wordpress.com/2007/10/05/thoughtmerchant-offers-criticism-of-ron-paul-as-a-candidate-for-black-americans/#comment-57 ebogjonson Mon, 08 Oct 2007 07:35:10 +0000 http://elicivilunrest.wordpress.com/2007/10/05/thoughtmerchant-offers-criticism-of-ron-paul-as-a-candidate-for-black-americans/#comment-57 >What positive and constructive interaction have you had with the federal government I wonder.< Oh, please. Even you had to wince just a little after writing that sonorous little whopper. Ever driven on an interstate highway? Ever flown on airplane guided by air traffic control? Ever taken a subway? Ever watched television during a shuttle launch? Ever gotten a federally guaranteed student loan? Ever used snail mail? Are you holding a baby in your picture? Was your child born at a hospital that gets any from of Federal funding or federal matching grants? What about you pediatrician or your wife's obstetrician; Can you guarantee that they have gotten no benefit, sanction, training, licensing and so on from the state? How did you get your wife to the hospital? Did you drive? Did you use a highway built with Federal funds? Does you car conform to federally mandated safety codes? I could really go on all day, but I guess when it comes to the health and safety of your child your precious libertarian politics go out the window. That makes you not just an amateur, but a hypocrite. >What positive and constructive interaction have you had with the federal government I wonder.<

Oh, please. Even you had to wince just a little after writing that sonorous little whopper. Ever driven on an interstate highway? Ever flown on airplane guided by air traffic control? Ever taken a subway? Ever watched television during a shuttle launch? Ever gotten a federally guaranteed student loan? Ever used snail mail?

Are you holding a baby in your picture? Was your child born at a hospital that gets any from of Federal funding or federal matching grants? What about you pediatrician or your wife’s obstetrician; Can you guarantee that they have gotten no benefit, sanction, training, licensing and so on from the state? How did you get your wife to the hospital? Did you drive? Did you use a highway built with Federal funds? Does you car conform to federally mandated safety codes?

I could really go on all day, but I guess when it comes to the health and safety of your child your precious libertarian politics go out the window. That makes you not just an amateur, but a hypocrite.

]]> By: elicivilunrest http://elicivilunrest.wordpress.com/2007/10/05/thoughtmerchant-offers-criticism-of-ron-paul-as-a-candidate-for-black-americans/#comment-56 elicivilunrest Sat, 06 Oct 2007 17:16:56 +0000 http://elicivilunrest.wordpress.com/2007/10/05/thoughtmerchant-offers-criticism-of-ron-paul-as-a-candidate-for-black-americans/#comment-56 I think that comparing ending the War on Drugs to ending support for the medical system is disingenuous at best. While I, and libertarians in general, think government really should get the hell out of medical care it is not a serious apples to apples comparison. The War on Drugs benefits no one but those employed prosecuting it. I in no way claim that Rosa Parks shares my political philosophy. Black civil libertarians were contesting and trying to dissasemble a State system that treated them as though they were not people. I merely suggest that government does not cure racial ills and I challenge you to make the case instead of calling me a bullshit amature, which I suppose is preferred to a bullshit professional. What positive and constructive interaction have you had with the federal government I wonder. For myself I must say very few of my interactions with the state at any level have been positive. Who do you think has the solutions to the problems of race in America? I'm also wondering, if you think paulites are smart, honest, well intentioned, and right on a lot of things, why they are unqualified to solve American problems? Are the other stupid, deceitful, evil, chronically wrongheaded candidates more qualified? Generally I believe that evil and deceitfulness are prequalifications for political office, but I am a cynical libertarian. Usually people who think government can fix society have a different standard for who should stand in public office. I think that comparing ending the War on Drugs to ending support for the medical system is disingenuous at best. While I, and libertarians in general, think government really should get the hell out of medical care it is not a serious apples to apples comparison. The War on Drugs benefits no one but those employed prosecuting it.

I in no way claim that Rosa Parks shares my political philosophy. Black civil libertarians were contesting and trying to dissasemble a State system that treated them as though they were not people. I merely suggest that government does not cure racial ills and I challenge you to make the case instead of calling me a bullshit amature, which I suppose is preferred to a bullshit professional. What positive and constructive interaction have you had with the federal government I wonder. For myself I must say very few of my interactions with the state at any level have been positive. Who do you think has the solutions to the problems of race in America?

I’m also wondering, if you think paulites are smart, honest, well intentioned, and right on a lot of things, why they are unqualified to solve American problems? Are the other stupid, deceitful, evil, chronically wrongheaded candidates more qualified? Generally I believe that evil and deceitfulness are prequalifications for political office, but I am a cynical libertarian. Usually people who think government can fix society have a different standard for who should stand in public office.

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